Visionary Jefferson Hack meets with icon Tilda Swinton for the inaugural video edition of his podcast series WHERE IT’S AT…, exclusively created and presented by NOWNESS, in association with AnOther Magazine. Reflecting on the Scottish performer’s ever-expanding artistic legacy, the two explore how her creative relationships continue to grow – and redefine the boundaries of cinema.

The intimate conversation meditates on the alchemy forged when singular minds dance together – including Swinton’s earliest work with avant-garde filmmaker Derek Jarman, filming the un-filmable with Sally Potter, and channeling her grandmother's makeup routine for Wes Anderson.

Hack’s curiosity amplifies Swinton’s poetic disposition during a lively exchange about creative process and identity – and how the boundaries between art and life dissolve across friendship and collaboration. Looking back on her close friendship with David Bowie, Swinton shares, “We became friends, we called each other cousin, and he was just so up for it and so ongoing – I was one of the lucky people to fall into communication with him.”

This is the latest episode of Hack’s podcast, recorded with Swinton just as a dedicated exhibition ‘Tilda Swinton – Ongoing’ opened at Amsterdam’s Eye Filmmuseum (until 8 February 2026). In her curation of the exhibition, Swinton pays homage to her pioneering collaborators across art, film, and fashion. Discussing her inspiration, she entered a journey of self-reflection, “What am I good for, what is my work made up of, what is the grain of it, what’s the seed of it, and there is one answer – it’s my relationships.”